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Published on August 15, 2010 By MagicwillNZ In PC Gaming

So I've been playing the Victoria 2 demo and I've been enjoying it immensely, as someone who never really "got" the original game.

For those that don't know, Victoria 2 is a Grand Strategy Game like HOI or Europa Universalis. Where Europa Universalis is more focused on discovery and exploration, HOI more on warfare, Victoria 2 is more about domestic politics and economics. I know to many people that sounds boring, but honestly I think domestic politicking and economics is a very underutilized direction of game design. Granted, secretly, I'm a 19th Century European politics enthusiast so I shit my pants for this sort of thing.

If you go through the tutorials, the game is just as complex but 100% more intuitive than Victoria 1. After a couple of hours I was "getting" it much more than I did the original. If you get good at the game, you could probably influence the simulation for some very strange results. A communist United States or a democratic Russia? I like how those sort of policy issues aren't as simple as moving a slider... you really have to plan and engineer changes like these.

I still find it endlessly fascinating to see how little tweaks influence little demographic changes. It's cool how your capitalists go around building railways and factories without you telling them to do so. Next time, I'm going to engineer a Civil War that starts in the 1840's.

My only real complaint is that England seems to suffer from a lot of armed insurrections on the home islands, and there seems to be some buggy text. I feel I will be getting this game when I can afford it.


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on Aug 16, 2010

I enjoyed EU Rome but there were just too many crashes, it got frustrating (admittedly I got it cheap to start with).  They are very addictive to begin with but buggy buggy buggy

on Aug 17, 2010

Nesrie

Quoting Rebell44, reply 10


Quoting Nesrie,
reply 7
What happend with HOI 3 that is getting Paradox so many "fans?" I am guessing bugs which Paradox doesn't seem to get away from. I thought it already had an expansion. Did they never bother to fix it?



Still broken naval and air combat.....

Many things considered as WAD by Paradox doesnt make any sense in WW2 game

AI waste huge ammount of fuel which result in broken Japan and Germany in many games

Paradox released already several broken patches - 1.3 version was broken for 4 months (superstacks, empty reserve divisions)  and its Steam version was broken even more because Paradox screwed up sending files to Steam and they didnt bother to fix Steam release untill 1.4 patch which was 4 months later. Latest official patch 2.03B was released without ANY testing, it contain several gamebreaking bugs which any testing would discover in 10 minutes. After we complained we were told that all programers are on holiday and so work on any hotfix or patch wont start before end of August!!!!!!!

Fact that my account was banned for criticizing Semper Fi (HoI3 expansion which promised to fix original game - for 20€) shortly after its release didnt exactly improved my opinion about about Paradox (official reason for ban was that my post was "inflamatory" - well if game didnt have 10+ major bugs almost 1 year (and 1 paid expansion) after release my post wouldnt by so critical).

Interesting, thanks for the information. I can't say that I've seen the kind of support you'd hope from Paradox myself. Crusader Kings has been a broken buggy game long before the last patch which was and is beta since 2008. EU3 seems pretty clean now, but I didn't really play that early on when they could have been doing the same thing with that series.

 

It seems I can't quote you without keeping the previous quote as well... this will look messy. As for EU3, even at release, it has been a fairly stable game, with a fraction of the bugs you will (still) see in HoI3. It may well be their best title for a long time to come.

on Aug 17, 2010

marlowwe


Fact that my account was banned for criticizing Semper Fi (HoI3 expansion which promised to fix original game - for 20€) shortly after its release didnt exactly improved my opinion about about Paradox (official reason for ban was that my post was "inflamatory" - well if game didnt have 10+ major bugs almost 1 year (and 1 paid expansion) after release my post wouldnt by so critical).



I noticed that as well. The developers and moderators on their forums are some of the worst I've seen in the gaming industry. I also don't like how they segregated the forums by requiring you to buy the game in order to READ them (example: the bug forum). That's such bullshit.

Their only game that I liked was Hearts of Iron 2 - which was a damn good game. After that, they just stopped making good games.

 

While the moderators over there are rather draconian, and have deleted entire threads they shouldn't have, I completely understand why they've gone the route they have in regards to their forums. Piracy is a real issue, without a lot of counters, and as people here on these forums (including devs, moderators) have said: developers shouldn't offer technical support to pirates. Keeping people without valid serial keys from accessing technical support forums is one way to achieve that.

on Aug 17, 2010

I like Paradox, but HOI3 was a bad and bug ridden game for me, and the AI did very bizarre things such as defenders leaving entire fronts open for the invader to conquer, and stacking of units in strange and pointless locations (jokingly, people would say they are just on vacation). Gladly, I only bought it for $7 (sale) a while back. I love EU3: HttT and CK. There is a large rumor they are making CK2 right now.

I've been reading on the Paradox forums about Vicky 2, and there are problems. Such as for some reason there is a drastic global iron shortage in a very large amount of people's games, which even if your country produces iron as a product, you still can't stockpile it before it's sent off to the great powers (GP's get first dibs). Also the revolts are irritating, you need large standing armies all over your nation because sooner or later they will be popping up no matter how pleased your people are.

on Aug 17, 2010

I know with the EU series, I felt like where EUII got free patches, with EUIII it was three expansions, and they never finished the beta patch for their last expansion in over a year.

 

Paradox had a great run, but they've declined.

on Aug 17, 2010

Tiberonmagnus
There is a large rumor they are making CK2 right now.

Well they have an official facebook page on it and some silly thing about announcing CK2 if they get 25k accounts on it, barely over 5k though. If they do CK2, and I hope they do, I want them to trash most of the CK code. That's been their excuse the whole time with the issues with CK, that it wasn't their code and they can only do so much with it. I'll only accept that excuse so many times.

on Aug 19, 2010

Nesrie

Quoting Tiberonmagnus, reply 19There is a large rumor they are making CK2 right now.


Well they have an official facebook page on it and some silly thing about announcing CK2 if they get 25k accounts on it, barely over 5k though. If they do CK2, and I hope they do, I want them to trash most of the CK code. That's been their excuse the whole time with the issues with CK, that it wasn't their code and they can only do so much with it. I'll only accept that excuse so many times.

It's not a if anymore, it's been announced.

on Aug 19, 2010

Victoria 2 is a playable game, at least for most greater countries and the first 20 years. After that you will problem with the expanding bureaucracy, and all AI countries are dealing with never ending revolutions from factory workers who for some reason needs to eat 100 times as much a farmer, and thus goes to bed hungry every night (Paradox have even claimed this consumption is working as intended). The moderations on the forums have gone mad, but Vicky2 is actually a playable game from launch it just doesn't cover all of the 80 years it should, but only 20-30.

 

By contrast EU3 and HOI3 wasn't playable until the first expansion. Four months and twelve months respectively. The latest HOI3 patch is not horribly broken, it just broke feature that makes the game a lot more annoying to play.

on Aug 19, 2010

louist

Quoting marlowwe, reply 13

While the moderators over there are rather draconian, and have deleted entire threads they shouldn't have

I knew it felt strange when I was reading criticism of the game on their forum about the horrendous game breaking bugs and people would always lace their posts with things like 'I really love this super awesome game, but...' and then reiterate how much they love the game after they talk about the bug.

on Aug 23, 2010

The amount of sitting around doing nothing in this game is appalling. I feel like it's MOO3 where the game just plays itself and there's little a player can actually do. Quite a huge step back from EU3.

on Aug 26, 2010

Elemental also appears crippled at launch, but this is mainly balance and poor UI. Victoria 2 starts much better but falls apart in the late game. This is a funny comparison to how Paradox and Stardock each have made similar but different mistakes. Reading the dev journals from frogboy I thought the game would be much better at launch, but there is no denying that 1.01 was not really playable, and 1.05 while playable has several big issues.

on Sep 02, 2010

Just realized V2 existed! Nothing much to add to your posts except that patch 1.2 is in progress. I did download the demo, but it is after midnight here. Play it tomorrow.

on Sep 02, 2010

Playing the demo of Victoria 2 did not turn out well. I got through one tutorial and then the demo crashed.

So, I'm not going to debug a demo, no not today thank you. Tried to delete demo via Control Panel. Appeared to work, but did not. Reboot, tried to delete Demo using the supplied utility. This did not work either. Sigh. Plan B. Remove all files manually. Run CCleaner. Use Registry tool. Search through registry with RegEdit to make sure. Reboot. Check the usual ratholes where programs leave "Easter Eggs." Think I got everything.

Victoria 2 looks really good. I'm impressed! I'll keep up with the forums and let it get patched a few times.

on Sep 02, 2010

The demo is better than the released game, since it is limited to only the few years and a nation that actually works. Only one minor patch have been released since the demo, which was released a few days before the complete game. PI are really taking their time fixing game-breaking bugs. Makes me feel so much better about Stardock

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